25 Key Moments From Boris Johnson’s First Day-Long Grilling At Covid Inquiry

Boris Johnson has been giving evidence to the public Covid Inquiry all day.

This is just the first of two days in which he will be grilled over the government’s handling of the pandemic, and there was plenty of back-and-forth between the former prime minister and the counsel to the inquiry Hugo Keith KC.

So here’s a list of the core exchanges from the first day.

1. He began with an apology – but was interrupted by protests

“Can I just say how glad I am to be at this inquiry and how sorry I am for the pain and the loss and the suffering of the Covid victims,” Johnson said when he started to give evidence.

Four people started to protest and held up a sign which said “the dead can’t hear your apologies”. They were removed.

Johnson also said he took “personal responsibility for all decisions made”.

The Inquiry chair, Lady Hallett, also kicked off proceedings by warning Johnson about the leaks to the media, saying: “Failing to respect confidentiality undermines the inquiry’s ability to do its job fairly, effectively and independently.”

2. Johnson couldn’t explain what happened to WhatsApps from his old phone

Amid a furore that the inquiry did not have all the necessary evidence because one of the ex-PM’s phones could not be accessed, Johnson said he was not responsible for any of the apparent technical issues.

“I haven’t removed WhatsApps from my phone. I want to make that clear. I have given everything you need,” he said.

3 ‘Not sure’ if government decisions led to more Covid deaths

In his witness statement, the ex-PM wrote: “We – I – unquestionably made mistakes, and for those I unreservedly apologise.”

However, when pressed by Keith, Johnson did not say what mistakes he was referring to – he just admitted that, with hindsight, it was clear they needed to do things differently.

Asked if he thought government-decision making led “materially to more excess deaths than might otherwise have been the case”, he said: “I’m not sure.”

He did admit concerns about mixed messages from the devolved governments, though. He later said “the collaboration was excellent” but communication could end up being “confusing”.

4. Johnson challenged the claim the UK had the second highest number of deaths in Europe

Johnson claimed the UK was “16th out of 33 countries for excess deaths” in Europe.

However, the QC said the UK had one of the worst records for excess deaths among western European countries.

Johnson also blamed other factors, like the “extremely elderly population”, and the population density of the UK.

5. Cabinet ‘more reluctant’ to impose lockdown

The ex-PM said his colleagues were “more reluctant” than he was to impose lockdown-type measures.

He said: “I think it would be fair to say that the cabinet was on the whole more reluctant to impose NPIs (non-pharmaceutical interventions) than I was.”

6. Johnson admitted he read Sage meetings minutes ‘once or twice’

The PM was criticised at the start of pandemic for missing Sage – Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies – at the beginning of 2020.

He said in retrospect it may have been “valuable to try to hear the Sage conversation”, but he was reliant on the chief medical officer for England, professor Chris Whitty and the former chief scientific adviser Sir Patrick Vallance who are “outstanding experts in their field”.

7. He did not want to sack Hancock

He defended the former health secretary Matt Hancock, who has been heavily criticised for his handling of the pandemic throughout the course of the inquiry.

His former chief adviser Dominic Cummings told the inquiry he had encouraging Johnson to sack Hancock, the ex-PM said: “If you’re a prime minister, you are constantly being lobbied by somebody to sack somebody else.”

He added that Cummings “had a low opinion of the health secretary”, but Johnson said: “I thought he was wrong.”

Johnson also said he does not accept Hancock was excluded from some key meetings, but said he needed to discuss some costly elements of the lockdowns with the Treasury.

Later, he expressed frustration – and rolled his eyes – at the idea in Cummings’ witness statement that he kept Hancock in cabinet as a sacrifice for the inquiry.

“I don’t remember that at all, it’s nonsense,” Johnson said, saying he thought Hancock was a good public communicator “whatever his defects”.

Boris Johnson, centre, Chief Medical Officer for England Chris Whitty, left, and then Chief Scientific Adviser Patrick Vallance
Boris Johnson, centre, Chief Medical Officer for England Chris Whitty, left, and then Chief Scientific Adviser Patrick Vallance

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8. Johnson disputed claims about toxic culture

Former senior civil servant Helen MacNamara told the inquiry Johnson oversaw a “toxic culture” in No.10, while top civil servant Simon Case that the top team were “basically feral”.

But the ex-PM told the inquiry that actually it was just “a lot of highly talented, highly motivated people who are stricken with anxiety” who under pressure “will be inclined to be critical of others”.

But he said it would have been worse if everyone was “so deferential” they never expressed their opinion.

9. ‘Too many meetings were too male-dominated’

MacNamara claimed there was an “obvious, sexist treatment” of women in No.10.

Johnson said: “I think that the gender balance of my team should have been better.

“I think sometimes during the pandemic, too many meetings were too male-dominated if I’m absolutely honest with you.”

He later said he had apologised to MacNamara after messages, sent to him describing her as a “c***”, were published in the inquiry.

10. Johnson said his senior aides chose to ‘step aside’

Johnson said his cabinet secretary Mark Sedwill and chief adviser Dominic Cummings both decided to step aside, rather than a sign he lost confidence in them.

When pressed over his relationships with them, he refused to be drawn and just said they chose to leave, saying it was “very difficult, very challenging period”.

11. Johnson responded to claims he was slow to respond to Covid

The ex-PM said the possibility of such a virus was not something that had really “broken upon the political world”, and he was not asked about it at PMQs – but noted he did become anxious about it by the end of February.

He added: “It was not escalated to me as an issue of national concern until much later.”

Acknowledging some predictions he saw about the potential Covid deaths in early 2020, he said: “I don’t think we attached enough credence to those forecasts.”

He claimed it was a “cloud on the horizon no bigger than a man’s hand”.

He said he could not remember expressing scepticism about the possible number of deaths.

12. Blamed a lack of communication from scientific teams

“The scientific community within Whitehall at that stage was not telling us that this was something that was going to require urgent and immediate action,” Johnson claimed.

He said he knew Covid had a 2% fatality rate, but claimed “fallacious, inductive logic” meant they did not take warnings seriously.

13. Johnson admitted that deaths in Italy ‘rattled me’

The ex-PM noted Italy had an elderly population, much like the UK, and so its 8% fatality rate “really rattled me”.

He said: “We should have twigged, we should collectively have twigged, much sooner. I should have twigged [by late February].”

14. Johnson seemed emotional when remembering decisions around lockdown

Weighing up lockdown and behavioural fatigue, Johnson said he was anxious about locking down too early without a vaccination programme.

“We have to be realistic about 2020 – the whole year – that whole tragic, tragic year,” Johnson said, before taking a moment to compose himself.

He then pointed out “we did lock down – and then it bounced back.”

15. Johnson defended his work ethic

He claimed he does not accept suggestions he was doing nothing in the months before lockdown, saying he was working and having calls with Presidents Xi and Trump.

The QC replied that he was actually not suggesting Johnson was on holiday, he was just reiterating Cummings’ allegations.

16. Johnson said he did not consider ignoring any advice about lockdown

He said the view that interventions should to be imposed too early was “the prevailing view for a long time” and shared by lots of people – and so he would not have gone into lockdown earlier.

Suggesting it was hard to know how to respond, he said: “When you hear about an Asian pandemic that is about to sweep the world, you think you’ve heard it before and that was the problem.”

He did not consider overruling the chief medical officer – and Keith then asked if he understood Sage could not tell him what to do.

Over accusations that he showed a lack of leadership by changing direction, he said: “Of course we were changing but so did the collective understanding of the science.”

17. He expressed regret about shaking hands

Johnson told the media he went to a hospital and shook hands with several Covid patients at the very early stages of the pandemic.

“I do think I shouldn’t have done that in retrospect,” Johnson replied.

“I should have been more precautionary, but I wanted to be encouraging to people.”

The clip in question from March 2020 below:

18. Johnson acknowledged sports events should have been cancelled

The ex-PM said they should have stopped mass sporting events in early March – Johnson attended an England v Wales game at Twickenham.

“With hindsight, as a symbol of the government’s earnestness rather than being guided by the science, we should perhaps have done this,” he said.

But he added, “At every stage I was weighing massive costs,” and “what the government was going to do was “very destructive for a lot of people least able to bear the costs”.

19. He addressed thinking behind herd immunity

Johnson said trying to flatten the curve of infections, – which he claimed led some people to assume the government were “trying to allow this thing to pass through the population unchecked”.

However he said this would have been a “by-product” of tackling the virus.

20. Johnson was ‘bewildered’ by possible impact of intervention

Presented with a graph showing the possible impact of interventions on the NHS, he said: “I was bewildered, to be honest.”

With or without restrictions, he said: “In either case, we are facing an absolutely intolerable situation.”

21. One heated moment over his lockdown

Johnson rejected claims he could not make up his mind about the lockdown – which came into effect on March 23, 2020 – but said the chancellor told him it would pose a risk to bond markets so he had to make a careful decision.

“It would have been totally negligent not to have had such a conversation,” Johnson said: “I’d made up my mind – we [were] getting on and doing it, we [were] not being diverted.”

He said, “I had no other tool – literally nothing else” aside from lockdown, and he “couldn’t take the gamble with public health”.

22. Johnson stood by lockdown

He said: “I believe that it was absolutely necessary” and “helped to suppress the R-rate”.

He also cast doubt on the view that the need for a mandatory stay at home order could have been avoided if the government acted sooner – but accepted Sage lacked enough clarify on data.

23. Johnson said he should have spent more time with the devolved administrations

Despite saying in his witness statement that he thought it was wrong for the PM to hold meetings with the first ministers, and compared it to being a “mini EU”, Johnson said they need to get a “better way of getting a unified message”.

“Some form of integrated decision-making which does not leak is what you’re after,” he said.

24. Johnson expressed regret for saying long Covid was ‘bollocks’

The ex-PM admitted that he had written in notes about long Covid describing it as “bollocks” and “gulf war syndrome stuff” – an illness which rocked veterans from the 1991 war, but no single cause was ever identified.

He said these phrases may have caused “hunt and offence to huge numbers of people who have that syndrome”, and “I regret it very very much.”

25. Johnson defended ‘argumentative’ culture in No.10

Johnson’s administration has been repeatedly slammed for “misogyny”, “leadership issues”

The ex-PM said he wanted a No.10 where ideas can be challenged, and he said: “It was occasionally argumentative, but that was no bad thing.”

He also said the country required “continuous, urgent action”, and claimed he spoke bluntly sometimes “because I wanted to give people cover to do the same”.

He also said the PM should go into meetings when decisions are being made – but that was not happening.

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Earlier Lockdown Would Have Saved ‘Many, Many Lives’, Matt Hancock Claims

Locking the UK down three weeks earlier would have saved “many, many lives” during the Covid pandemic, Matt Hancock has claimed.

The former health secretary said the measures should have been introduced on March 2, 2020 instead of March 23.

He admitted that he was speaking with the benefit of hindsight and defended the government’s decision to hold off from locking down the country at the time.

Hancock was speaking during his second evidence session at the Covid Inquiry.

He said: “At the time, there was still enormous uncertainty, the number of cases was still very low – in fact, there were only 12 cases reported on March 1 – and the costs of what I’m proposing were known and huge.

“So I defend the actions that were taken by the government at the time, knowing what we did, but with hindsight, that’s the moment we should have done it, three weeks earlier, and it would have been, would have saved, many, many lives.

“Having obviously thought about this and reflected on this a huge deal over the last few years, the first moment we realistically could have really cracked it was on March 2, three weeks earlier than we did.”

Hancock was also accused by Dominic Cummings of lying to the inquiry over his claim that he had pushed then prime minister Boris Johnson on March 13 to order a lockdown.

Cummings posted on X (formerly Twitter): “Hancock flat out lying to inquiry claiming he privately pushed for lockdown on 13th with PM – but admits there’s no evidence for it .”

An ally of Hancock hit back: “Cummings is not a reliable witness and this tweet is wrong.

“Matt called Boris on 13th, argued for lockdown on 14th and then Boris invited Matt into the smaller meeting after Cummings had tried to exclude him.”

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Dominic Cummings Has Accused Matt Hancock Of ‘Flat Out Lying’ To The Covid Inquiry

Dominic Cummings has accused Matt Hancock of “flat out lying” to the Covid Inquiry by claiming he was the first to push for the UK to go into lockdown.

The former health secretary Hancock claimed he urged then prime minister Boris Johnson to enforce a lockdown on March 13, 2020.

But in a scathing post on X (formerly Twitter) as Hancock was still giving evidence to the inquiry, Cummings said that was untrue.

He said: “Hancock flat out lying to Inquiry claiming he privately pushed for lockdown on 13th with PM – but admits there’s no evidence for it .”

Cummings also claimed that he “physically stopped” the then-health secretary coming to a meeting the following day because he “was bull****ting everybody about herd immunity”.

But an ally of Hancock said: “Cummings is not a reliable witness and this tweet is wrong.

“Matt called Boris on 13th, argued for lockdown on 14th and then Boris invited Matt into the smaller meeting after Cummings had tried to exclude him.”

Giving evidence today, Hancock told the inquiry that Cummings was a “malign influence” who created a toxic “culture of fear” in government.

Cummings is not the first witness to accuse the former health secretary of dishonesty.

In an earlier evidence session, former chief scientific adviser Patrick Vallance told the inquiry that Hancock had a habit of saying things that “were not true”.

And Helen MacNamara claimed he “regularly” told colleagues things “they later discovered weren’t true”.

Former deputy cabinet secretary Helen MacNamara also said Hancock would say things “which surprise people because they knew the evidence base wasn’t there”.
Hancock refuted these claims during his evidence session.

Covid inquiry counsel Hugo Keith also seemed skeptical at the legitimacy of Hancock’s lockdown assertions. He asked why there was no mention of it in his book, Pandemic Diaries.

“There is a whole page on how you woke up from the dawn flight to Belfast … you then went to Cardiff and so on.

“Telling the prime minister of this country, for the first time, that he had to call an immediate lockdown, is surely worthy of some recollection, is it not?”

Hancock replied: “I didn’t have full access to my papers for the writing of that, and this came to light in researching the papers ahead of this inquiry.”

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‘You’re Trying To Bamboozle Our Viewers’: Oliver Dowden Roasted Over Covid Revelations

Oliver Dowden was accused of trying to “bamboozle” the public as he refused to say whether he had read all of the government’s plans for dealing with a pandemic before the Covid outbreak.

The deputy prime minister clashed with Laura Kuenssberg as he appeared on the BBC this morning.

It came after a week of damning revelations at the Covid inquiry over Downing Street’s handling of the early months of the pandemic.

Dowden was a Cabinet Office minister at the time and responsible for how the government dealt with emergencies.

Referring to a clip of the inquiry’s most shocking revelations, Kuenessburg said: “It’s hard to watch any of that and conclude anything other than the government’s handling of Covid was a disaster.”

She added: “You were minister of state for the Cabinet Office at the beginning and part of your job was making sure that the government was ready to deal with big emergencies.

“Had you read all of the plans that were prepared to deal with a pandemic?”

“I said all of this during my evidence session at the Covid Inquiry” responded Dowden.

“I’m sure our viewers want to hear it now too” pressed the BBC host.

Dowden replied: “I gave evidence for over three hours at the inquiry.”

As Kuenssberg told him she was asking a “straightforward question”, a clearly-agitated Dowden said: “Laura if you wish to know the answer to this question, I have to be able to set out the facts of it.

“The department for health had a responsibility for pandemic preparedness. The role of me in the Cabinet Office was to make sure we had a full analysis of all of the risks.”

Kuenssberg hit back: “You’re giving us a very long, technical answer and I’d like you to give a straightforward answer to our viewers.”

“All of the areas under my responsibility I was across them,” said Dowden.

The presenter responded: “And had you read all of the plans? That’s a straightforward question.

“It sounds like you’re trying to bamboozle our viewers this morning with a very technical explanation of the fact that you didn’t read every single part of the pandemic preparedness plans.”

But Dowden said: “I’m not trying to bamboozle your viewers and I can say categorically that I read the relevant Covid plan.”

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Boris Johnson Asked If Blowing A Hair Dryer Up Your Nose Would Kill Covid

Boris Johnson asked whether Covid could be be cured by blowing a hair dryer up your nose, after watching a YouTube video.

Dominic Cummings made the allegation in his evidence to the Covid inquiry, describing it as a “low point”.

Cummings said as the pandemic raged he often “couldn’t be sure” whether it was actually Johnson himself who was “the source of false stories” in the media about Covid.

“A low point was when he circulated a video of a guy blowing a special hair dryer up his nose ‘to kill covid’ and asked the CSA (chief science adviser) and CM (chief medical officer) what they thought,” Cummings said.

Writing his his diary on December 12, 2021, Vallance said: ”[Johnson] says his party ’thinks the whole thing is pathetic and Covid is just nature’s way of dealing with old people – and I am not entirely sure I disagree with them.”

Simon Case, the cabinet secretary, also once worried that Johnson was “Trump-Bolsonaro level mad” on Covid.

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No.10 Was ‘Sexist, Toxic And Awful’ Under Boris Johnson, Says Ex-Senior Civil Servant

Boris Johnson oversaw a “toxic culture” in No.10 which saw the “obvious sexist treatment” of women, according to a former senior civil servant.

In shocking testimony heard by the Covid Inquiry, Helen MacNamara slammed the misogynistic environment in No.10 during the pandemic.

The former deputy cabinet secretary said the “dominant culture was macho and heroic” and “contaminated by ego”.

Statement handed to the Covid Inquiry by Helen MacNamara .
Statement handed to the Covid Inquiry by Helen MacNamara .

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Speaking at the Inquiry, she added that she was not alone in her feelings about how No.10 operated.

“Women whose job it was to do something were not able to do their jobs properly because they weren’t having the space or being treated with respect,” she said.

“It was both striking and awful.”

She added that the shift in attitude towards women had been recent and that despite the team always being dominated by men, she would “not have characterised No.10 as an abnormally sexist environment in the context of Westminster”.

Her statement added: “Women who had worked in the Cabinet Office for some time, reported feeling as if they’d become invisible overnight.”

Asked whether the issue resonated purely on a personal level or whether it had wider repercussions, MacNamara explained that culture was “problematic because it meant debate and discussion was limited, junior people were talked over and it felt that everything was contaminated by ego”.

Statement by Helen MacNamara on sexism at No 10
Statement by Helen MacNamara on sexism at No 10

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Messages revealed earlier in the Inquiry show Dominic Cummings referring to her as a c**t and saying he wanted to “personally handcuff her and escort her from the building”.

MacNamara said she found Cumming’s comment both “surprising and not surprising” as “it wasn’t a pleasant place to work” because Cummings was often angry and frustrated.

She added that Cummings was not alone in this type of attitude and suggested Johnson enabled the casual use of violent and crude language.

The then prime minister’s failure to end this behaviour, she added, was “miles away from what is right, or proper, or decent, or what the country deserves”.

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Minister Denies Sunak Is Blocking WhatsApps Over Fears Plot To Topple Johnson Will Be Exposed

A minister has dismissed claims that Rishi Sunak is blocking the release of messages to the Covid inquiry to avoid exposing a plot against Boris Johnson.

Robert Jenrick insisted the reason for the government’s bid to stop the release of unredacted messages to the inquiry was a “simple legal one”.

It follows an extraordinary argument between ministers and the official inquiry into the pandemic.

The government is trying to block the inquiry’s order to release WhatsApp messages and diaries, arguing that it should not have to hand over material which is “unambiguously irrelevant”.

However, a defiant Johnson has bypassed the government and told the inquiry he is happy to hand over all his own communications from that period.

Allies of the former prime minister claimed Sunak was blocking the release of text messages because it could reveal his plot to bring down Johnson, according to the Mail on Sunday.

Asked about the claims, Jenrick told Sky’s Sophy Ridge on Sunday: “No, as I say, the issue here is a simple legal one.”

Jenrick said Johnson would not be restricted over what he divulged to the Covid inquiry.

But he said it would not be “sensible or reasonable” to hand over ministers’ documents or messages if they are deemed irrelevant to the pandemic.

It comes after cabinet office lawyers wrote to Johnson to warn that money would “cease to be available” if he breaks conditions such as releasing evidence without permission.

He has had legal advice paid for by the taxpayer, but the Sunday Times detailed the letter from government lawyers containing the warning to Johnson.

“The funding offer will cease to be available to you if you knowingly seek to frustrate or undermine, either through your own actions or the actions of others, the government’s position in relation to the inquiry unless there is a clear and irreconcilable conflict of interest on a particular point at issue,” it said.

The cabinet office insisted the letter was “intended to protect public funds” so taxpayer-funded lawyers are not used for any other purpose than aiding the inquiry.

Former culture secretary Nadine Dorries, a staunch ally of the former Tory leader, said it is “not a good look for the government”.

“All evidence provided should be unfettered and not restricted by gov censorship – whatever form that may take,” she tweeted.

Conservative donor Lord Cruddas, an outspoken backer of Johnson, who handed him a peerage, urged the MP not to be “held to ransom” by the threat.

“Don’t worry @BorisJohnson I can easily get your legal fees funded by supporters and crowd funding, it’s easy,” he tweeted.

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Exclusive: Government Blocking Covid Families’ Access To Justice Using Threat Of Costs

The government has been accused of using money as a way of blocking access to justice for bereaved Covid families.

Human rights lawyer Elkan Abrahamson says the government is using punitive costs orders to stymie the ability of thousands of grieving families to fight for a public inquiry into the handling of the pandemic.

“They’re opposing everyone who’s raising these issues and saying: ‘You’re going to have to pay us a fortune in costs if you lose,’” he said.

“They’re using money as a way of blocking access to justice. That’s what it boils down to.”

Abrahamson, who is head of major inquiries at Broudie Jackson Canter law firm, is acting for Covid-19 Bereaved Families for Justice in bringing legal action against the government.

The group of about 2,500 families is launching judicial review proceedings to try to compel the government to hold a public inquiry.

But before doing so they have been forced to raise substantial sums of money to cover the legal costs they could be forced to pay the government if the action is not successful.

Abrahamson said the government had refused to waive costs when asked by the campaign, but had also declined to tell the group how much it could seek to claim.

Covid-19 Bereaved Families for Justice began fundraising and has now got enough money to continue with its bid, which is expected to progress in the near future.

A separate case has shown the significant risks of bringing such legal challenges.

Earlier this month, the government asked for costs of up to £1m in a case brought by the Good Law Project for a judicial review over the award of contracts for personal protective equipment.

The action meant the small, not-for-profit organisation, which is funded by donations from the public, could have been liable for “eye-watering” costs if it lost the case.

“We cannot bear this kind of existential risk,” said Jolyon Maugham QC, director of Good Law Project.

The group applied to the High Court for a cost capping order to restrict the legal costs of both sides, which was granted on February 24.

It had asked for a cap of £100,000 but instead the order was granted at £250,000.

“If we lose the case, we are liable to pay a quarter of a million pounds to government, as well as needing to cover our own legal costs,” said Maugham. 

“Despite huge support from members of the public, generous individuals and organisations, we are still short.”  

Abrahamson said one compelling reason for holding a public inquiry into the pandemic is that the option of pursuing inquest proceedings has been effectively closed off to most families in relation to Covid-19 deaths.

“The coroners are very, very reluctant to actually look into anything more,” he said. “The guidance says if there’s an individual failing you can point to that leads to someone getting Covid, maybe they could look at it, but if it’s a generic failing, you can’t look at it.”

Deaths in relation to care home failings, failure to provide PPE, failings in the 111 system and delays in lockdown all fall outside this remit.

“The chief coroner has said there will be a [public] inquiry, but there isn’t one, that’s the problem,” said Abrahamson.

His firm is dealing with about 150 clients who want inquests to be held into the deaths of their loved ones.

But only five or six of these have actually moved forward to pre-inquest hearings, Abrahamson said.

HuffPost UK has approached the Cabinet Office for comment.

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